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If this thread is only a small foreshadowing of how the community (or rather individuals) would react and respond to an open source project and how things are getting discussed I have to say that I would not want to be part of it. Yes, everyone is permitted to his own opinions but the how is important - and I can see in other communities like for example the C# compiler or .Net Core projects that developers don't want to deal with bs and toxic waste but communicate in a civilized manner. ... and that coming from me known as someone who can voice his opinions in a strong way garnished with cursing often enough ...

Agreed. There is no need for others to sabotage anything. You are perfectly capable of sabotaging both the proposal and this discussion on your own.

Open source isn't giving up. It's allowing contributions from outside. Emba would still be in control. The only open source project I have any involvement is Spring4d. Who do you think is the boss of that? It sure ain't me. And that's exactly how it should be. A good open source project has strong management and leadership, and those contributors that can fit in and add to the development effort are facilitated. You don't just hand control to random collaborators. Stefan's point about open source collaborators is spot on. Good programmers aren't going to spend their time on open source projects unless it's rewarding and fun. I certainly could never see myself working with the OP here.

Especially with new contributors to open source (but also in general) it's usually advisable in the interests of friendly cooperation to exercise some patience and politeness and give contributors some friendly feedback about their pull requests if they should accidentally miss this or any other type of requirement that change requests should comply with (and to do so in the context where the pull request was submitted.) If the JCL/JVCL maintainers are not giving at least this feedback to people trying to contribute then that's rather a shame. 😞

Guys, while pulling updates from a remote repo is part of git (e.g. git pull from the command line for example), a "pull request" is not something intrinsically part of git, but something that github institutes, or that we agree between ourselves as developers. It literally is saying to someone else "Please {git} pull from me as I've got something you might want to review/use." It follows that in order for someone else to "pull" changes from you, that you must have some accessible place for them to pull from. Obviously users on the internet won't have access to your local repo on your developer PC, so they cannot pull from there. Nor would you normally be able to push to their repo (or their github repo) if that is where you originally pulled from (unless you're one of the project administrators/owners of course.) There therefore needs to some other repo, that must belong to you and is accessible so that someone else can pull from, that you can also first push to. (Just like there needs to be a shared SVN server, say, if you want another dev to get some changes you've made and are using subversion.) And this is where github comes in. It provides an easy to access place where you can fork and create your own remote repositories (from others) that are therefore just as easily accessible by others too. All that background is to help you understand the following: The normal process for working on github, if you want to contribute changes, is to 1.) Fork the repo of the project you want to contribute to in your github account. This creates a cheap remote repo (think "my own SVN server at github" if that helps) that belongs to you, than you can push to. 2.) Clone this fork (your own copy of this github repo) to your local PC. 3.) Do your work, commit locally. Once totally happy, git push, which obviously goes to your own remote repo (from the fork.) 4.) Now you're a few revisions ahead of the original repo, and you can then tell the original upstream repo maintainers that you'd like them to pull from your repo as you've got changes to fix some issue or whatever. In github, you do this by simply clicking "New Pull request" button in github. Hope that helps! Edit: By the by, if you've previously pulled from someone else's project directly, made some changes and now want to push this somewhere else, it's quite easy to fork the project "after the fact" and then tell git/update that "remote"/"upstream" is now else, to e.g "push" to your fork instead. (It's also possible to have multiple remotes if you want, but I digress...)

I am totally for expanding FPC to cover everything Delphi can do and more. I would welcome it and applaud it. I don't think EMBT would mind, either. Giving up their own compiler is completely different thing. However, I don't believe FPC will ever catch up. Look at attributes which are still not supported. My Delphi code won't even compile on FPC, and that is not a EMBT problem.

Yes we do.

Which platform doesn't have good C and C++ compilers?

Yes It is my project and no it doesn't implement Edwards curves.

All of this is basically a fantasy. The odds that EMBT/Idera would consider doing it, are slim to none, IMO.

Francois thank you for excellent ICS components and all the time you have been dedicated to the Delphi development. It is indeed a highly optimized source code; I need to learn more in detail. The SendFile example you fixed works outstanding; the ESP32 can send the files without problem. I'm now optimizing the packet size at the ESP32 side. As Angus pointed, I'm studying also the OverbyteIcsBinCliDemo, I need to be more familiar with the pointers things : ) This is a good example to learn. Thank you!

Thanks Andrea. Good luck with that 😉

These programs first they try a direct connection - if the port is not blocked it works, if it's blocked and the router/firewall is UPnP, it adds an inbound rule which grants exterior access only for the lifetime of the program. Don't expect your company router to be UPnP enabled. If direct connection doesn't succeed then third-party server owned by TeamViewer/GotoMyPC/WebEx/etc is used as a middle man forwarding messages between those 2 parties, but usually works with direct connection. Establishing connection is not the hard part, having a very good real-time algorithm for capturing/transferring images/mouse without flicker/lag from one party to another is the hard part.

But all effort is pointless if none of the maintainers integrates the pull requests. https://github.com/project-jedi/jvcl/pull/56

Perhaps, Embarcadero shouldn't reinvent the wheel , but push VCL to all platforms.. Something like CrossVCL, but also for mobile. By Merlin's sake, buttons are buttons on every platform, as well as listboxes, textboxes, and menus. I guess I need to open another issue on QP, what do you guys think? Or maybe such issue already exists? And yes, we are on page 3, so if you didn't already vote, please do it

Nooo! You can't stop this before it complies to godwin's law 😉

Or in other words: In order to create a pull request, you must first become a master of git. It's really annoying that it is that complicated. A pull request basically is a patch, with a comment. Something that would be possible to create with a text editor (at least for the simple cases I am talking about). Today I found lots of issues which I fixed with my local copy of jvcl / jcl years ago. I am sure I filed bug reports including patches back then. Aparently nobody ever looked at them, because they are still there in the current version. Examples: * Missing raise for a ESomeException.Create * missing Create in raise ESomeException(SomeString) I get the impression that "Project Jedi" nowadays is down to a single person or maybe two (I see commits by obones and ahausladen) who are simply swamped with requests. And that's not just Jedi, there is also dxgettext which is unmaintained for all practical purposes (I have been the only contributor for years and that's only because I still have got write access to the repository, which is more of an accident than planned, and I only sometimes make changes to it because that's the tool we use at work). Other projects are obviously unmaintained. My impression is that there may still be many Delphi developers, maybe their number is even raising, but the "Delphi Community" of 20 years ago no longer exists. </rant>

I can imagine that the excessive use of branches in DVCSs may frighten users grown up with SVN. I also needed some time to get familiar with that in the beginning, but it makes life a lot easier after I was able to grasp the concept.

Without going into deep discussion about compatibility and other technical issues... AFAIK Marc Hoffman would rather drop dead than sell anything to Embarcadero...

Woow really appreciated; thank you a lot. I'm traveling but will test tonight at the hotel ! It worked great; file now copies perfectly well (localhost). Will test with the ESP32 once in home : )

I have fixed the demo to work with all Unicode enabled Delphi versions (2009 and up). It will no more work with older ascii only versions. I have tested with Delphi 10.3.1 rio. The file sendfile.zip has been updated on the website, you can download again from usermade page at http://www.overbyte.be Let me know if it works for you.

The problem with this demo is a Unicode issue. The author made it with a Delphi version before Unicode was introduced. This demo assume a char in an AnsiChar (8 bits) while for years char are Unicode (16 bits). This is not difficult to fix. The buffer used to send/receive binary data must by an array of byte instead of an array of char. For the filename, you have to choose if you want to send Unicode filename or ASCII filename and convert appropriately. Do you need more help to fix the sample? François Piette ICS Authour Embarcadero MVP

The user made samples are 15 to 20 years old and few probably work with the latest version of ICS. You should really be looking at OverbyteIcsBinCliDemo.dpr in Samples\delphi\SocketDemos which is more up to date. But still does not use a stream. So perhaps look at a new sample OverbyteIcsIpStmLogTst.dpr in \Samples\delphi\sslinternet which does receive binary streams of unlimited size. Angus