aehimself 396 Posted January 7 Hello, I have an application which utilizes DimPanels. A couple of days ago I was notified that there are some buttons barely visible; however they are supposed to be on a solid background. The issue is, something is being drawn different when the application is executed in an RDP window. Locally I receive a solid form while through RDP everything is transparent, revealing the component underneath: Attached is the minimum test case... it simply creates a DimPanel on the form and embeds an empty frame into it. The solution is rather easy: enable ParentBackground in the DimPanel or disable ParentBackground on the frame. My question is; does anyone know why drawing differs? DimPanelTest.7z Share this post Link to post
rvk 33 Posted January 7 3 hours ago, aehimself said: Locally I receive a solid form while through RDP everything is transparent, revealing the component underneath: Weird, I would expect just the opposite (solid in rdp and transparent locally). What are the settings under the Experience tab in your RDP connection? Ser it to highest speed and disable bitmap caching and see if that helps. Share this post Link to post
aehimself 396 Posted January 7 1 hour ago, rvk said: What are the settings under the Experience tab in your RDP connection? Ser it to highest speed and disable bitmap caching and see if that helps. Settings are the highest possible as I was testing it on a local VM where connection speed isn't an issue. While the idea is good, disabling bitmap caching did not solve the issue. What I am really interested of is that in DimPanel I am not calling inherited in the overridden Paint method. How come ParentBackground has any actual effect...? Probably some weird window message to set the color, I don't know... Share this post Link to post
rvk 33 Posted January 7 Could be related to this: WS_EX_LAYERED window appearing invisible over RDP Or with Alpha blending https://duckmaestro.com/2010/06/06/per-pixel-alpha-blending-in-win32-desktop-applications/ Share this post Link to post
rvk 33 Posted January 7 PS. You testproject in your openingspost works for me (Compiled on Delphi 10.2, Windows 10 and RDP'ing to a Windows 10 Hyper-V). Panel show solid (without memo1 bleeding through). 1 Share this post Link to post
aehimself 396 Posted January 7 Well that’s something I didn’t think of as a possible root cause, that’s why I did not mention that I am using D12 to compile. I tried on remote Windows 10 and Server 2019, both behaved the same way. I’ll check with some earlier Delphi versions. Share this post Link to post
aehimself 396 Posted January 7 (edited) Confirmed. When building the same project with Delphi 11.2 the panel shows up solid, so this seems to be a Delphi 12 "issue". ...but why only through RDP? Edit: updated topic title Edited January 7 by aehimself Share this post Link to post
hsvandrew 23 Posted January 8 I don't know how much access to this server you have, but I would start by connecting to its console session either physically or via something like Anydesk and logging in there, then running your app to see how the base operating system settings are affecting your application. This will then determine if its ONLY via RDP or across the entire machine. If you determine its only in RDP, review the settings in the remote desktop connection (MSTSC) app, by selecting LAN (10mbps or higher) and ensuring all are ticked ON It is also possible for a system admin to disable some of these options server side via policy. Share this post Link to post
aehimself 396 Posted January 8 Logging on to the same machine with the console session does not reproduce the issue. Also, I doubt RDP is at fault, as it only affects Delphi 12 binaries. Share this post Link to post
dummzeuch 1500 Posted January 8 Didn't Embarcadero announce that they "improved the experience" of the IDE and Delphi programs when run in an RDP session? I'm not sure which Delphi version this was, but I think it wasn't 12. Maybe 11? 1 Share this post Link to post
dwrbudr 8 Posted January 8 In Delphi 12 EMB has changed the way DoubleBuffered works in DRP session and added DoubleBufferedMode property. So inspect the source/documentation on that or just play with those properties. 1 Share this post Link to post
Lajos Juhász 292 Posted January 8 4 hours ago, dummzeuch said: Didn't Embarcadero announce that they "improved the experience" of the IDE and Delphi programs when run in an RDP session? I'm not sure which Delphi version this was, but I think it wasn't 12. Maybe 11? I believe it was starting with 11 and "enhanced" in 12. I know that they wrote 12 should be much better than earlier versions. Share this post Link to post
aehimself 396 Posted January 8 Double buffering is a valid point as it's turned on in my main application. It is however is off in the test program, and unfortunately enabling it (and changing DoubleBufferedMode) doesn't change the behaviour. Share this post Link to post
Stéphane Wierzbicki 45 Posted January 8 (edited) I'm also facing issues with RDP and Delphi 12 (actionbar menus are messy). No problem at all with Delphi 11. Found this workaround. program xxxxx; uses Vcl.Forms, WinAPI.Windows, ....; {$R *.res} begin Application.SingleBufferingInRemoteSessions := GetSystemMetrics(SM_REMOTESESSION) = 0; Application.Initialize; Application.MainFormOnTaskbar := True; Application.Title := 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'; Application.CreateForm(Tformxxxx, formxxxx); Application.Run; end. Edited January 8 by Stéphane Wierzbicki Share this post Link to post
rvk 33 Posted January 8 https://docwiki.embarcadero.com/RADStudio/Alexandria/en/Double-buffering_and_Remote_Connections 1 Share this post Link to post
aehimself 396 Posted January 8 30 minutes ago, rvk said: https://docwiki.embarcadero.com/RADStudio/Alexandria/en/Double-buffering_and_Remote_Connections Interesting read! Do I understand it correctly that if you do NOT override anything, themed and un-themed controls do not use double buffering (even if set in object inspector) if a remote session is detected? If yes, it means we can completely exclude double buffering as a potentional suspect for this particular issue. But, it actually reminded me to also note: the issue only appears on the system (Windows) style. If any custom style is selected, the frame (panel?) will become solid again. Share this post Link to post
rvk 33 Posted January 10 On 1/8/2024 at 9:15 PM, aehimself said: Interesting read! Do I understand it correctly that if you do NOT override anything, themed and un-themed controls do not use double buffering (even if set in object inspector) if a remote session is detected? If yes, it means we can completely exclude double buffering as a potentional suspect for this particular issue. Yes. So you could set SingleBufferingInRemoteSessions to true to test if enabling DoubleBuffering in RDP would help. (turning on DoubleBuffering manually doesn't have effect if SingleBufferingInRemoteSessions is still set to false) If it doesn't help, then it must be something else. 1 Share this post Link to post
aehimself 396 Posted January 10 Even if DoubleBuffered is on for the frame and the form, and Application.SingleBufferingInRemoteSessions is true, I still see the memo in the test application if I execute it in an RDP window. No, double buffering seems to have no effect on this particular issue. Share this post Link to post
rvk 33 Posted January 10 20 minutes ago, aehimself said: Even if DoubleBuffered is on for the frame and the form, and Application.SingleBufferingInRemoteSessions is true Woops, sorry. The Application.SingleBufferingInRemoteSessions is true as default. You should try to set it to false so the RDP acts the same as without RDP regarding doublebuffering. http://docwiki.embarcadero.com/Libraries/Alexandria/en/Vcl.Forms.TApplication.SingleBufferingInRemoteSessions 1 Share this post Link to post
aehimself 396 Posted January 10 Aaaaand jackpot! Adding Application.SingleBufferingInRemoteSessions := False solves the issue for good, no more dimmed memo is visible through RDP! The only question which I have remaining - if DoubleBuffered is false everywhere in the test application, how come enforcing single buffering makes a difference? Shouldn't that be the default, if .DoubleBuffered is false on the form and on the frame? Share this post Link to post
Brian Evans 105 Posted January 10 8 minutes ago, aehimself said: Aaaaand jackpot! Adding Application.SingleBufferingInRemoteSessions := False solves the issue for good, no more dimmed memo is visible through RDP! The only question which I have remaining - if DoubleBuffered is false everywhere in the test application, how come enforcing single buffering makes a difference? Shouldn't that be the default, if .DoubleBuffered is false on the form and on the frame? Likely interacts with the WS_EX_LAYERED style in some way as that style does do some extra work (composes and repaints layered windows and the windows of underlying applications). Window Features - Layered Windows - Win32 apps | Microsoft Learn Extended Window Styles (Winuser.h) - Win32 apps | Microsoft Learn Share this post Link to post
rvk 33 Posted January 10 16 minutes ago, aehimself said: The only question which I have remaining - if DoubleBuffered is false everywhere in the test application, how come enforcing single buffering makes a difference? You didn't set DoubleBuffering to false for the TFrame itself (at least not in the code I saw). So if there (for TFrame) it is still true, then SingleBufferingInRemoteSessions = false would make the difference. Share this post Link to post
aehimself 396 Posted January 10 49 minutes ago, rvk said: You didn't set DoubleBuffering to false for the TFrame itself (at least not in the code I saw). So if there (for TFrame) it is still true, then SingleBufferingInRemoteSessions = false would make the difference. Talking about the small program I attached; it is not present in the code or in the DFM - you are right about that. That means it is using the default, which is False for DoubleBuffering. At least this is how I believe it should work. Share this post Link to post
rvk 33 Posted January 10 15 minutes ago, aehimself said: That means it is using the default, which is False for DoubleBuffering. Ah, ok. I thought the default for DoubleBuffered was true. But I am probably mistaken (it is true in Lazarus unless in a remote session but apparently not in Delphi). Share this post Link to post