Herb Sutter on C++20

[Lars Fosdal 1792]

 

 

[Anders Melander 1782]

One hour into the video I wanted to shoot myself in the head - But then I remembered that I no longer program in C++ 🙂

 

Apart from that; Good stuff. When I heard Bjarne at the end I thought: He sounds tired of C++. Maybe he should try Delphi 🙂

[Martin Sedgewick 30]

1 hour ago, Anders Melander said:

One hour into the video I wanted to shoot myself in the head - But then I remembered that I no longer program in C++ 🙂

Brilliant!

[Der schöne Günther 316]

Thank you for the video.

I have recently picked up a C++ project and I actually enjoy it. But to be honest, I would rather build a big monolith app in Delphi than in C++.

 

[Der schöne Günther 316]

I really enjoyed the video. What a great speaker.

[Fr0sT.Brutal 900]

Launched video.

Saw `break; case 1: a();`

Closed video.

[Stefan Glienke 2002]

22 hours ago, Anders Melander said:

When I heard Bjarne at the end I thought: He sounds tired of C++.

No, he sounds tired of people that fight against expressiveness for the sake of complexity.

 

22 hours ago, Anders Melander said:

One hour into the video I wanted to shoot myself in the head - But then I remembered that I no longer program in C++ 🙂

Funny, around that time I was like "Dayum!" remembering how much code I had to write in Delphi for redblack-tree rotation.

[Anders Melander 1782]

6 minutes ago, Stefan Glienke said:

Funny, around that time I was like "Dayum!" remembering how much code I had to write in Delphi for redblack-tree rotation.

Well, it's not that I don't envy the versatility of C++ but I really don't enjoy trying to maintain (or even just read) code that fully uses that versatility.

[Lars Fosdal 1792]

is and as could help declutter that versatility, though.

[John Terwiske 4]

I've always enjoyed Herb's talks.  The one that sticks in my mind is where he discusses the possible simplification of parameter passing in C++.  This has (and is) one of the chief complexities of the language that sometimes confounds beginners.  That proposal went no where as far as I can tell, and I don't know exactly why it failed but I think the old canard "it's not C++" or maybe something to do with library compatibility.  Too bad, really.

 

The other thing about "modern" C++ is that it is very difficult to teach.  There's another talk I think from 2019 at cppcon (Nicholas J., irrc) that discusses the 18 (or more) different ways to initialize an integer.  And once you get into move semantics, compile-time programming, and when and if constexpr works like you think it does then you really need great teaching skills.

 

Their three year cycle for language enhancements is astonishing.  I remain envious of compilers that can optimize like theirs can.  If only Delphi had...

[Lars Fosdal 1792]

This is my favorite Herb presentation.