Annoying IDE behavior changes in 10.4.2

[Wagner Landgraf 43]

I wonder if someone notice these "minor" but really annoying changes in IDE behavior in 10.4.2. This really decreases productivity significantly when you sum up the small things.

 

 

1. Interface/implementation navigation 

a) When you navigate from method declaration in interface to method implementation, using Ctrl+Shift+Arrow Down, the IDE goes to the implementation, but cursor is now located in the procedure/function declaration, not in the first line of the implementation (after begin). 

Thus, if you want to start coding, you have to press down key several times (especially if you have lots of local variables declared) just to get to the first line of code.

 

b) Also when navigating to implementation, the cursor is now located in the middle of the editor, instead of top. Thus, you only see "half" of the implementation code that would you see if the cursor is located in the top of editor.

 

2. Forward class declaration navigation

When you control-click a forward class declaration like

 

  TMappingExplorer = class;

 

It won't navigate anymore to the actual class declaration.

 

I wonder if you noticed the same and you know workarounds. The only one I found was to disable new LSP but this brings lots of stability issues, besides not having the new LSP features, obviously.

Edited March 3, 2021 by Wagner Landgraf

[Uwe Raabe 2057]

10 minutes ago, Wagner Landgraf said:

When you navigate from method declaration in interface to method implementation, using Ctrl+Shift+Arrow Down, the IDE goes to the implementation, but cursor is now located in the procedure/function declaration, not in the first line of the implementation (after begin).

I cannot confirm that. With Ctrl-Shift-Arrow Down the cursor is located in the first line after begin.

 

14 minutes ago, Wagner Landgraf said:

Also when navigating to implementation, the cursor is now located in the middle of the editor, instead of top. Thus, you only see "half" of the implementation code that would you see if the cursor is located in the top of editor.

I cannot confirm that either. The top line in the editor is the method declaration.

 

16 minutes ago, Wagner Landgraf said:

Forward class declaration navigation

That one I can indeed conform. Please file a bug report for that.

[Wagner Landgraf 43]

Weird. How did you test it? Using latest Delphi 10.4.2 Sydney, you can do just this:

 

1. Create a new VCL blank application

 

2. Double click the form to create a FormCreate event handler.

Cursor is located between begin..end lines (line 27)

 

3. Press Ctrl+Shift+Up.

Cursor goes to FormCreate declaration in interface section (line 11)

 

4. Press Ctrl+Shift+Down.

Cursor goes back to FormCreate implementation, but now cursor is in procedure line (line 25), not between begin..end lines

 

You don't see that behavior?

[Uwe Raabe 2057]

I followed your steps and the cursor is on line 27, while the editor top line is 25. 

 

Embarcadero® Delphi 10.4 Version 27.0.40680.4203 (with MMX Code Explorer , Project Magician, Selective Debugging and wuppdi Welcome Page)

[balabuev 102]

I can confirm all above issues. The first one is especially annoing thing for me. And the third also.

Edited March 3, 2021 by balabuev

[Wagner Landgraf 43]

5 minutes ago, Uwe Raabe said:

I followed your steps and the cursor is on line 27, while the editor top line is 25. 

 

Embarcadero® Delphi 10.4 Version 27.0.40680.4203 (with MMX Code Explorer , Project Magician, Selective Debugging and wuppdi Welcome Page)

Using same exact version: Embarcadero® RAD Studio 10.4 Version 27.0.40680.4203.

No IDE plugins installed, only components.

The fact you can't reproduce is really intriguing, it might mean there is some settings that "fix" this behavior? Or maybe your IDE plugins are affecting it?

Edited March 3, 2021 by Wagner Landgraf

[Diego Muñoz 5]

for me: using Ctrl+Shift+Arrow Down, cursor located in the procedure/function declaration, not in the first line of the implementation (after begin)
Embarcadero® RAD Studio 10.4 Version 27.0.40680.4203, professional, update 2

[balabuev 102]

Please vote:

 

https://quality.embarcadero.com/browse/RSP-33156

https://quality.embarcadero.com/browse/RSP-33157

[Wagner Landgraf 43]

3 minutes ago, balabuev said:

Please vote:

 

https://quality.embarcadero.com/browse/RSP-33156

https://quality.embarcadero.com/browse/RSP-33157

Voted. But I wonder if there isn't a workaround right now, given @Uwe Raabe doesn't see this behavior.

[balabuev 102]

4 minutes ago, Wagner Landgraf said:

But I wonder if there isn't a workaround right now, given @Uwe Raabe doesn't see this behavior.

I've looked for it several days and yet not found anything.

 

@Uwe Raabe may be you switched to Classic Code Insight mode?

[Vandrovnik 214]

1 hour ago, Wagner Landgraf said:

1. Interface/implementation navigation 

a) When you navigate from method declaration in interface to method implementation, using Ctrl+Shift+Arrow Down, the IDE goes to the implementation, but cursor is now located in the procedure/function declaration, not in the first line of the implementation (after begin). 

Thus, if you want to start coding, you have to press down key several times (especially if you have lots of local variables declared) just to get to the first line of code.

 

b) Also when navigating to implementation, the cursor is now located in the middle of the editor, instead of top. Thus, you only see "half" of the implementation code that would you see if the cursor is located in the top of editor.

 

 

I can confirm both 1 a) and 1 b).

10.4.2 installed as update over 10.4.1 (uninstall automatically done by installer), keeping settings, did not use Migration Tool.

[MarkShark 27]

I can confirm the change as well.  I've also noticed that the Ctrl-Alt-Up and Ctrl-Alt-Down keys don't seem to navigate between methods anymore (although Ctrl-Alt-Mousewheel still seems to do it.)  I was going to suggest it to jump to the first line after begin, but it's gone.  So if you want the old behavior you can do Ctrl-Shift-Up, Ctrl-Shift-Down, and then Ctrl-Alt-Mousewheel up!  Simple, right? (Wink)  

 

Method Hopping:

http://docwiki.embarcadero.com/RADStudio/Sydney/en/Code_Navigation_(IDE_Tutorial)

 

Edited March 3, 2021 by MarkShark

[Uwe Raabe 2057]

It is indeed MMX Code Explorer which catches the Ctrl-Shift-Up/Down shortcuts and handles them properly. As MMX is one of the first additions installed here, I didn't notice the standard behavior change.

[c0d3r 17]

I can confirm all as well, went back to Classic,  don't see why I should use LSP.

[Wagner Landgraf 43]

18 hours ago, c0d3r said:

I can confirm all as well, went back to Classic,  don't see why I should use LSP.

LSP is now way better than the previous one. And it looks like Embarcadero is just not touching the old one anymore, so for example I see IDE crashes in some situations with the Classic code insight, and I'm afraid that will never be fixed now.

 

Installing MMX "solves" the issue temporarily, until they hopefully fixes that in 10.5.

[Darian Miller 361]

5 hours ago, Wagner Landgraf said:

I see IDE crashes in some situations with the Classic code insight, and I'm afraid that will never be fixed now.

 

For me, I hope they don't waste their resources on it and remove the classic code insight option in 10.5.  They are taking large swipes at piles of technical debt.  Of course, they are adding to the pile as well.  It certainly seems like more is coming off the pile than is being added.

 

[FredS 138]

54 minutes ago, Darian Miller said:

It certainly seems like more is coming off the pile than is being added

Only because the CE  version isn't out yet, those guys still have hope in issues being solved in real time 🙂