PeterPanettone 157 Posted February 18 (edited) Do you have any special wishes for Delphi 13? Built-in AI? NeuraLink interface? A new Code Editor? Edited February 18 by PeterPanettone Share this post Link to post
Fred Ahrens 58 Posted February 18 I don't need any new features. I just need that the existing features work as intended. And there are many areas where existing features need to be made usable again (e.g. refactoring, code formatting, HighDPI). OK, one new feature would be nice: compiling for Raspberry Pi. But fixing the existing features needs to be done first. 18 Share this post Link to post
PeterPanettone 157 Posted February 18 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Fred Ahrens said: e.g. refactoring The best refactoring feature for Delphi I have found so far is in MMX. But new refactoring tools could certainly implement even better and smarter refactoring features, e.g.: 1. Search the entire project for identical or similar code fragments and automatically replace them with a common procedure. 2. Automatically insert selected code into a (new) class. Etc. Edited February 18 by PeterPanettone Share this post Link to post
PeterPanettone 157 Posted February 18 (edited) 20 minutes ago, PeterPanettone said: 1. Search the entire project for identical or similar code fragments and automatically replace them with a common procedure. An IDE with AI capabilities could easily accomplish such things. Edited February 18 by PeterPanettone 1 Share this post Link to post
dummzeuch 1496 Posted February 18 1 hour ago, PeterPanettone said: An IDE with AI capabilities could easily accomplish such things. No, not with the kind of AI that we currently have. 2 1 Share this post Link to post
PeterPanettone 157 Posted February 18 10 minutes ago, dummzeuch said: not with the kind of AI that we currently have. You don't believe in AI? Share this post Link to post
Uwe Raabe 2053 Posted February 18 1 hour ago, PeterPanettone said: You don't believe in AI? Sounds like it were a religion... 3 5 Share this post Link to post
@AT 0 Posted February 18 My list of preferences: arm64 compiler for Linux Enable Generic functions (pure functions/procedures, but not members of classes) Ability to declare external functions without pointing library names (to simplify writing libraries for Linux applications (both, shared and statically linked) Static Code Analysis build-in Improve "Refactor" functionality [Need to think more...] Share this post Link to post
Thijs van Dien 9 Posted February 19 (edited) The one thing I'm still waiting for is per project packages/components that are automatically (un)loaded by the IDE, right from the code repository they're used in (i.e. machine independent). I can't believe we still don't have something like that after so many years. Edited February 19 by Thijs van Dien 3 Share this post Link to post
emileverh 21 Posted February 19 11 hours ago, Fred Ahrens said: I don't need any new features. I just need that the existing features work as intended. And there are many areas where existing features need to be made usable again (e.g. refactoring, code formatting, HighDPI). OK, one new feature would be nice: compiling for Raspberry Pi. But fixing the existing features needs to be done first. Totally agree. Fix the existing things first.... 1 Share this post Link to post
dummzeuch 1496 Posted February 19 9 hours ago, PeterPanettone said: You don't believe in AI? I have some experience with the "quality" of AI generated code as well as answers to some basic queries. I certainly don't want it to mess with my code without close supervision. And no, I don't believe what we currently have deserves the name artificial intelligence. Share this post Link to post
dummzeuch 1496 Posted February 19 (edited) 8 hours ago, @AT said: Enable Generic functions (pure functions/procedures, but not members of classes) I was under the impression we already have these.. ? Edited February 19 by dummzeuch Share this post Link to post
Lajos Juhász 292 Posted February 19 9 hours ago, PeterPanettone said: You don't believe in AI? I am with the idea that was presented in the Delphi's birthday webinar, I do not want the code from any of the projects I am working on to land in some AI database and pop up as a suggestion on a query. The code I am working on belongs to the company I am working for or a client. Nobody wants that code to go public. I am ok with the idea and did it a couple of times to ask Bing to write some simple code that I can review faster than to type in, have some fun. 2 Share this post Link to post
Sinspin 1 Posted February 19 I would like to see one version of Delphi / RAD, not 4. And the components sold (and maintained) separately. Mixing IDE and components in one product makes zero sense. 3 hours ago, dummzeuch said: I have some experience with the "quality" of AI generated code as well as answers to some basic queries. I certainly don't want it to mess with my code without close supervision. And no, I don't believe what we currently have deserves the name artificial intelligence. I agreee. I don't like all kind of product where my work is edited in a web interface and stored in the cloud operated by the company. They can promise whatever they want about privacy and security. If they see my foo is better than theirs, and they want know why.... they have just a look. Nobody can prevent that. Share this post Link to post
Lars Fosdal 1789 Posted February 19 1. Debuggers, debuggers, debuggers - multithread handling is abysmal today 2. Make HighDPI actually works as intended - it is useless in a team as is - unless everyone runs the same scaling 3. Generics constraints for enumerated types to enable the use of conversion to/from ordinal values, use set operators, etc. 4. Native ARM64 compiler for Delphi for Windows (and Linux/Raspberry PI, but Windows has prio) 5. A 64-bit IDE that ensured that EMBT was dogfooding 64-bit VCL and RTL and raise the quality As for AI, I wouldn't mind an AI that could look at code and suggest improvements - perhaps as a part of the static code analysis, or one that could explain "what does this code do". I don't really need or want an AI to generate code. If it is a standard, a lib should already exist. If it doesn't and there is no standard that covers the need, I'd be happy to have an AI outline alternative approaches - but given that the wide scope of parameters that goes into a design, I think it is unrealistic to expect that it would come up with the ideal suggestion without us writing a huge requirement. The output of VLLM generators is extremely dependant on precise and accurate specification statements, and writing those are almost as hard as writing good code. As for AI and privacy - keep your secret credentials separated from your code. Other than that, I don't think that many of us write code that truly needs to be hidden for secrecy reasons, although it is obvious that it will be necessary to ensure that privacy permeates the use of AI. 4 1 Share this post Link to post
Lars Fosdal 1789 Posted February 19 4 hours ago, dummzeuch said: I was under the impression we already have these.. ? Nope. interface type TClass = class function Something<T>: string; // OK end; function Something<T>: string; // NOT OK implementation Share this post Link to post
Lajos Juhász 292 Posted February 19 12 minutes ago, Lars Fosdal said: As for AI and privacy - keep your secret credentials separated from your code. Other than that, I don't think that many of us write code that truly needs to be hidden for secrecy reasons, although it is obvious that it will be necessary to ensure that privacy permeates the use of AI. It is not about privacy. it is copyright. Anyone that has invested money into an algorithm and solution would not like to see it to appear inside an AI suggested code. That is one of the reasons why the source code for Microsoft Office is not open sourced..... 1 Share this post Link to post
Oleksandr Skliar 2 Posted February 19 My TOP list: 1. LSP improvements/quility. Now it doesn't work at all for big projects. (working on D11.3/D12). Refactoring doesn't work at all. 2. Generic Types improvements (more constraints, global generics, better work with interfaces (as/is support), better type infers, etc) 3. General IDE/Compiler/RTL/VCL quility. Better support for System.JSON / System.REST. 4. Ternary Operator (or make existing IfThen() as generic/magic intrinsic) 5. And the last one, Please, be more open for Delphi comunity - open Betas for all, open Roadmaps, Bi-monthly updates, etc. 2 Share this post Link to post
JonRobertson 70 Posted February 19 1 hour ago, Lars Fosdal said: Make HighDPI actually works as intended - it is useless in a team as is - unless everyone runs the same scaling Genuine question on HighDPI. So far, working in DPI Unaware mode works well for me. As long as the run-time handles scaling "correctly". Since switching to DPI Unaware mode, I have not needed to write (or borrow) workarounds for HighDPI issues. Are there scenarios where designing in HighDPI would be beneficial? Just to improve the development experience or to improve the user's experience when using the produced app? Share this post Link to post
Lars Fosdal 1789 Posted February 19 1 hour ago, Lajos Juhász said: It is not about privacy. it is copyright. Anyone that has invested money into an algorithm and solution would not like to see it to appear inside an AI suggested code. That is one of the reasons why the source code for Microsoft Office is not open sourced..... It is about privacy. It is the lack of proper privacy that causes private code to leak into generated AI code. Share this post Link to post
Lars Fosdal 1789 Posted February 19 11 minutes ago, JonRobertson said: Are there scenarios where designing in HighDPI would be beneficial? Not per se. However, the problem is that once you use the DPI aware IDE, the measurements and coordinates in forms are according to your current Windows DPI and scaling settings. Which means that when someone with a different DPI or scaling opens the form, it looks like shit and the changes that someone makes, will again be impacted by their settings. So if two people with two different settings, takes turn in changing a form, you can get a form that keeps on growing or shrinking during the design. Personally, I would prefer that such a thing doesn't happen - so that I can benefit from HighDPI also in the IDE. It is not a trivial problem to solve. Pixel perfection becomes very hard once you have to deal with design time as well as runtime scaling. 1 Share this post Link to post
Lajos Juhász 292 Posted February 19 2 minutes ago, JonRobertson said: Are there scenarios where designing in HighDPI would be beneficial? Just to improve the development experience or to improve the user's experience when using the produced app? An example would be Quick Report. It was designed to work only with 96PPI. When HighDPI is not allowed for the application the generated preview would be wrongly scaled and would not fit the page. Share this post Link to post
PeterPanettone 157 Posted February 19 11 hours ago, Thijs van Dien said: The one thing I'm still waiting for is per project packages/components that are automatically (un)loaded by the IDE, right from the code repository they're used in (i.e. machine independent). I can't believe we still don't have something like that after so many years. Strongly agree. Share this post Link to post
PeterPanettone 157 Posted February 19 7 hours ago, dummzeuch said: I have some experience with the "quality" of AI generated code as well as answers to some basic queries. I certainly don't want it to mess with my code without close supervision. And no, I don't believe what we currently have deserves the name artificial intelligence. Low-quality AI answers often are the result of poor prompts. However, I agree with the last statement. Share this post Link to post
PeterPanettone 157 Posted February 19 1 hour ago, Oleksandr Skliar said: LSP improvements/quility. Now it doesn't work at all for big projects. In a large project, I always have to wait for code insight. Share this post Link to post