New Delphi features in Delphi 13

[David Heffernan 2472]

Obviously Emba have trailed the new conditional operator (wish they'd call it this and not ternary, but whatever). But we've heard nothing else. So I was interested in the what's new webinar to see what else there would be. Turns out the reason nothing else has been talked about ahead of time is that there is nothing else. I didn't have high expectations, but they've managed to fall well short of them.

 

Has anyone else seen anything worth talking about?

Edited Wednesday at 03:28 PM by David Heffernan

[Lars Fosdal 1902]

 

 

[PeterPanettone 171]

NO Webinar 30 minutes after the supposed start:

 

Edited Wednesday at 03:33 PM by PeterPanettone

[David Heffernan 2472]

4 minutes ago, PeterPanettone said:

NO Webinar 30 minutes after the supposed start:

 

Don't worry, you aren't missing very much!!

[David Heffernan 2472]

95% of this is them saying that they've updated their tools to the latest versions of the various libraries that they are built from, target. Which has to be done, but this is clearly just a maintenance release.

[Lars Fosdal 1902]

Some useful stuff, but YMMV.

https://docwiki.embarcadero.com/RADStudio/Florence/en/What's_New

Edited Wednesday at 03:51 PM by Lars Fosdal
Added URL for What's New

[PeterPanettone 171]

4 minutes ago, David Heffernan said:

Don't worry, you aren't missing very much!!

 

2 minutes ago, David Heffernan said:

95% of this is them saying that they've updated their tools to the latest versions of the various libraries that they are built from, target. Which has to be done, but this is clearly just a maintenance release.

 

No earth-shattering innovations in 13? Doesn't Embarcadero use ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE?

[David Heffernan 2472]

8 minutes ago, Lars Fosdal said:

Some useful stuff, but YMMV.

Yeah, some bits and pieces. But I can't see anything exciting. Just a few minor convenience improvements.

[Lars Fosdal 1902]

7 minutes ago, David Heffernan said:

I can't see anything exciting.

The C++ guys are prolly excited.

 

I like the new operators, the new generic constraints, PushOpt/PopOpt, NameOf, Basic version support in GetIt.

There is a LOT of RTL stuff as well - but that is defintively YMMV.

I still wish they would have added a generic constraint for enumerated types to enable the use of Include/Exclude/In etc. 

[PeterPanettone 171]

11 minutes ago, Lars Fosdal said:

Some useful stuff, but YMMV.

No BUG FIXES? No Windows ARM compiler? No faster LSP server? No Visual Assist for Delphi?

[Lars Fosdal 1902]

I like the WebStencils, but I have no use for it...

[PeterPanettone 171]

1 minute ago, Lars Fosdal said:

I like the WebStencils, but I have no use for it...

I neither. Is this a hobby project of someone at Embarcadero?

[Lars Fosdal 1902]

Let me moderate myself - I would have loved WebStencils 5-10-15 years ago, but now I work for a company that do advanced scalable web development, using the industry standards - which is not RADServer or WebStencils. WebStencils could be nice if you need a web UI for a Windows Service or similar, though.

[PeterPanettone 171]

7 minutes ago, Lars Fosdal said:

Let me moderate myself - I would have loved WebStencils 5-10-15 years ago, but now I work for a company that do advanced scalable web development, using the industry standards - which is not RADServer or WebStencils. WebStencils could be nice if you need a web UI for a Windows Service or similar, though.

Why do they not work on things that people really need? Delphi has such great potential! You could do GREAT THINGS with Delphi!

Edited Wednesday at 04:20 PM by PeterPanettone

[Lars Fosdal 1902]

What you really need, really depends on each person.

You obviously can't satisfy everone every time.

[Anders Melander 2095]

1 minute ago, Lars Fosdal said:

You obviously can't satisfy everone every time.

But at least you can not satisfy someone every time.

[Uwe Raabe 2182]

27 minutes ago, PeterPanettone said:

No BUG FIXES?

Where did you read that?

New features and customer reported issues fixed in RAD Studio 13.0

[PeterPanettone 171]

Just now, Anders Melander said:

But at least you can not satisfy someone every time.

Is this an AMBIGUOUS statement?

[Stefan Glienke 2169]

1 hour ago, David Heffernan said:

Has anyone else seen anything worth talking about?

I haven't found a critical regression in the past 24 hours.

[Anders Melander 2095]

59 minutes ago, David Heffernan said:

Has anyone else seen anything worth talking about?

Well, I got this one during install so I'm already a little bit "excited"...

https://threats.kaspersky.com/en/threat/Trojan.Win32.Lazzzy.gen/

[PeterPanettone 171]

23 minutes ago, Uwe Raabe said:

Where did you read that?

New features and customer reported issues fixed in RAD Studio 13.0

I like the NameOf(T) compiler (magic) function.

[PeterPanettone 171]

19 minutes ago, Anders Melander said:

Well, I got this one during install so I'm already a little bit "excited"...

https://threats.kaspersky.com/en/threat/Trojan.Win32.Lazzzy.gen/

Should we switch off malware detection during Delphi 13 installation?

[Patrick PREMARTIN 152]

27 minutes ago, PeterPanettone said:

Should we switch off malware detection during Delphi 13 installation?

No, you should not. But every program using or allowing to use AI features is subject to be recognize like an AI trojan. Kaspersky AI and the others have to learn about false (or not) positives.

[Patrick PREMARTIN 152]

49 minutes ago, Anders Melander said:

Well, I got this one during install so I'm already a little bit "excited"...

https://threats.kaspersky.com/en/threat/Trojan.Win32.Lazzzy.gen/

Please open an issue on https://qp.embarcadero.com and say what version of Kaspersky you use.

Edited Wednesday at 05:23 PM by Patrick PREMARTIN

[Lars Fosdal 1902]

I thought everyone had dropped Kaspersky by now.