git and Delphi tooling?

[Lars Fosdal 1792]

We are making the plunge from SVN to git (on GitHub) and would like some input. Note that although there are other forms of git hosting than GitHub, we don't have a choice in the matter, so recommendations of other forms of hosting are off topic.

The obvious candidates (if you are using GitHub) are git for Windows and GitHub desktop.

Are there other valuable tools that one should have?

 

Also - how is the git integration in the Delphi IDE, on a scale from 0 - totally worthless, 5 - usable, to 10 - good enough?

 

[Cristian Peța 103]

We use Fork but you need to test to see what is best for you.

Never used Delphi integration.

 

Edited December 8, 2020 by Cristian Peța

[David Heffernan 2347]

Fork is highly regarded. I know that @Stefan Glienke has moved to using Fork having previously used SourceTree.

[Guest]

I find TortoiseGit useful. It's a Windows Explorer extension, similar to TortoiseSVN which you might know already.

[Attila Kovacs 629]

Please forgive my naivety and let me ask, do companies really putting their valuable source codes on an online platform?

[pyscripter 689]

TortoiseGit here as well.  Happy user.

[Mike Torrettinni 198]

1 hour ago, Lars Fosdal said:

We are making the plunge from SVN to git (on GitHub) and would like some input. Note that although there are other forms of git hosting than GitHub, we don't have a choice in the matter, so recommendations of other forms of hosting are off topic.

The obvious candidates (if you are using GitHub) are git for Windows and GitHub desktop.

Are there other valuable tools that one should have?

 

Also - how is the git integration in the Delphi IDE, on a scale from 0 - totally worthless, 5 - usable, to 10 - good enough?

 

There are a few older threads that many git tools were suggested and compared:

 

 

[David Heffernan 2347]

54 minutes ago, Attila Kovacs said:

Please forgive my naivety and let me ask, do companies really putting their valuable source codes on an online platform?

It's easy to backup, and every cloned repo is a backup. It's not an issue particular to source code. Any cloud based storage comes with the same question. On premise has its own issues. 

[aehimself 396]

I'm using VS Code and git bash for the tasks VS Code can not handle. Diff view is one of the best I've seen, merge conflicts are easy to solve. Just install a time line addon and you are ready to go.

[Mahdi Safsafi 225]

Tried GitHub desktop and didn't like it. Don't know about other tools but I'm using TortoiseGit for years now and I really like it. The most things I love about is the great shell integration and spell checking when I write comment. 

[pyscripter 689]

1 hour ago, Attila Kovacs said:

Please forgive my naivety and let me ask, do companies really putting their valuable source codes on an online platform?

The value of stealing commercial code is overstated. The whole Windows code base has been leaked if I remember well.   Any employee can steal the source code.  And I must say I trust Github abilities to protect the source code (and Google and Amazon) more than those of the IT departments of most companies.

[Attila Kovacs 629]

@pyscripter I neither care about stealing. But if a system gets exposed (public or not) it could be an easy target for any kind of cyber-attack.

 

13 minutes ago, pyscripter said:

The whole Windows code base has been leaked if I remember well.

No you don't. It was just XP the last time which had a EOL back in 2008.

 

16 minutes ago, pyscripter said:

I trust Github abilities to protect the source code (and Google and Amazon) more than those of the IT departments of most companies

Trust is an unbeatable argument.

 

[pyscripter 689]

2 minutes ago, Attila Kovacs said:

Trust is an unbeatable argument.

The emphasis was on more.   I trust more...

[Der schöne Günther 316]

54 minutes ago, aehimself said:

I'm using VS Code

Same. I'm mainly using Mercurial as I somehow get things done twice as fast as in Git, but when I use git, VS Code and its plugins (like Git Graph) do everything I could ask for.

[Attila Kovacs 629]

1 minute ago, pyscripter said:

The emphasis was on more.   I trust more...

Hey, wasn't an offense, I'm totally fine with it!

[pyscripter 689]

1 minute ago, Attila Kovacs said:

Hey, wasn't an offense, I'm totally fine with it!

Why should I be offended .  All my code is open source anyway.

[Mahdi Safsafi 225]

37 minutes ago, pyscripter said:

 The whole Windows code base has been leaked if I remember well.   Any employee can steal the source code.

And if it wasn't leaked, someone may reverse it : http://ReactOs.org

[Lars Fosdal 1792]

1 hour ago, David Heffernan said:

It's easy to backup, and every cloned repo is a backup. It's not an issue particular to source code. Any cloud based storage comes with the same question. On premise has its own issues. 

Indeed.  

[Arnaud Bouchez 407]

Git for Desktop is just a bloated Electron app.. I would not recommend it.

 

I don't use any gui tool for git.

For simple git process, I use

- on Linux, I use some simple scripts: https://github.com/synopse/mORMot2/blob/master/commit.sh and https://github.com/synopse/mORMot2/blob/master/kompare.sh on Linux

- for mORMot, I made a simple VCL app which calls a source comparison tool, then call some scripts. https://github.com/synopse/mORMot/tree/master/SQLite3/Documentation/SourceCodeRep
(which also update a fossil repository altogether with github - for standalone/private repositories, https://fossil-scm.org/home/doc/trunk/www/fossil-v-git.wiki is awesome, Windows native, with much more features than git and it has a build-in web ui, and the ability to mirror to git)

Edited December 8, 2020 by Arnaud Bouchez

[pyscripter 689]

15 minutes ago, Mahdi Safsafi said:

it wasn't leaked

Windows XP leak confirmed after user compiles the leaked code into a working OS | ZDNet

[Lars Fosdal 1792]

1 hour ago, Mahdi Safsafi said:

Tried GitHub desktop and didn't like it. Don't know about other tools but I'm using TortoiseGit for years now and I really like it. The most things I love about is the great shell integration and spell checking when I write comment. 

 

Even as a long time TortoiseSVN user, I am slightly uncomfortable by the rather cluttered interface in TortoiseGit.  Too many options.
We are more likely to document step by step actions using a specific GUI and use powershell scripts that are based on this method of working: https://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/ where possible.

 

Using git with Delphi is straight forward but using git for SQL Server is a major exercise in Catch-22.
Currently evaluating
1. Visual Studio Solution & git integration commit and push -> pull request -> CI script to deploy to staging databases

2. Ediiting DB in SSMS ->script that runs DB -> ApexSQL Diff -> local file folder -> git commit and push -> pull request -> CI script to deploy to staging databases
3. ApexSQL Diff direct to/from DB and git (which should have worked, but does not - awaiting support response)  -> CI script to deploy to staging databases
Each of the variants have pros and cons.

[Lars Fosdal 1792]

https://git-fork.com/ looks very interesting!
...and I suddenly realized that front page image shows Anders Heijlsberg doing his TypeScript commits with Fork.
/star-struck

[Stefan Glienke 2009]

8 minutes ago, Lars Fosdal said:

https://git-fork.com/ looks very interesting!

I uninstalled SourceTree (which I had been using for years before with decreasing joy) the day I started using Fork and never looked back - back then Fork was completely free and changed to a paid license later but those 50 bucks were very well spent.

[David Heffernan 2347]

17 minutes ago, Lars Fosdal said:

https://git-fork.com/ looks very interesting!
...and I suddenly realized that front page image shows Anders Heijlsberg doing his TypeScript commits with Fork.
/star-struck

They just cloned the typescript repo .....

[Lars Fosdal 1792]

3 minutes ago, David Heffernan said:

They just cloned the typescript repo .....

 

QED: Lars is a sucker 😄