suggestion for 2 new su forum: AI usage and AI coding

[Javier Tarí 27]

IMHO, I believe we should have:

* One new subforum about using AI from Delphi (not to help with Delphi coding, but for using AI from our Delphi programs

* One new subforum on AI agentic coding in/for Delphi: AIs and agentics frameworks (Claude Code, Codex, Cursor...) and it's use as help with Delphi coding

[Lars Fosdal 1904]

Using AI from Delphi IDE or a Delphi app is a general or third party component thing.  Tag posts with AIUsage and ComponentName.

Same for using AI for coding with various agents. Tag posts with AICoding and AgentName.

 

[Javier Tarí 27]

Ok, I'll do that

But my personal opinion is: that's a mistake; those topics are already capital, although Delphiers are still sleepy about them

[Rollo62 605]

1 hour ago, Javier Tarí said:

Delphiers are still sleepy about them

I'm not sleepy, 🛌💤, but always awake, with my eyelids pinned wide open ... ☕👀🤪☕☕☕ 

[Javier Tarí 27]

On 8/19/2025 at 12:47 PM, Lars Fosdal said:

Same for using AI for coding with various agents. Tag posts with AICoding and AgentName.

 

Where should be Delphi AI coding with agents be posted? 

[Lars Fosdal 1904]

14 hours ago, Javier Tarí said:

Where should be Delphi AI coding with agents be posted? 

Integration with an AI: Delphi IDE and API or Third Party

Wrestling with AI generated code: Which ever topic that the generated code is relevant to

How to formulate AI prompts: Off-topic

[Javier Tarí 27]

And where should go "Using IA coding agents for Delphi development"? Does not fit within your proposals. And "Off-topic" would be nonsense, as it's a fundamental Delphi coding primitive. Although it seems only those of us already using it are aware of that.
Which leads me to ask: Have you tried it¿ I don't mean copypasting on a chat; I mean using agents as i.e. Claude Code, for Delphi. If you haven't it would explain your point of view on the topic 

[Lars Fosdal 1904]

"Using IA coding agents for Delphi development"? - General could be an alternative to off-topic.

 

I've used Gemini and CoPilot for programming in PowerShell and Delphi in VS Code, with mixed results.
Great for analysis and improvement, not so good for developing new code.

[Javier Tarí 27]

1 hour ago, Lars Fosdal said:

I've used Gemini and CoPilot for programming in PowerShell and Delphi in VS Code, with mixed results.
Great for analysis and improvement, not so good for developing new code.

I don't know as of today, but until one-two weeks ago, the only real way of doing it was Claude Code, properly set so it could compile Delphi projects, which would let it find and fix the errors it was doing, so it would end with a running project. I've used it mostly to develop independent projects (.dpr and .dpk), but also let it work in some of my main application (an ERP) packages, my framework-related ones, with very good result

 

I believe it's very sad and even a shame that the Delphi community is not heavily invested on this. We are mostly senior developers, so we should be the ones geting more advantage of this. Adn it could be a way to contributing more to our community, as making code and tools would be easier and faster, as we don't need to code them ourselves, just supervise it

Edited Monday at 10:10 AM by Javier Tarí
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[Die Holländer 93]

3 hours ago, Javier Tarí said:

I believe it's very sad and even a shame that the Delphi community is not heavily invested on this.

Don't worry, it's not about "The Delphi Community" but about this Praxis forum.

Many Delphi developers and also Embarcadero are interested in Delphi and AI.

 

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[Lars Fosdal 1904]

It is only fair to let the community have their say:

 

[Stefan Glienke 2169]

In my opinion, creating new forums should only be considered if there is sufficient activity around this topic (regardless of whether it's AI or anything else), which I don't currently see.

Edited Monday at 02:46 PM by Stefan Glienke

[Javier Tarí 27]

57 minutes ago, Stefan Glienke said:

In my opinion, creating new forums should only be considered if there is sufficient activity around this topic (regardless of whether it's AI or anything else), which I don't currently see.

True, but imo that should change. As an example: Spring4D should be massively used, given the benefits for Delphi development, but it's not. Crazy, isn't it?

 

In my opinion, the topic is so important that it should be encouraged. I believe there are very few of us using that kind of tools on the daily workflow, and imo that's a bad thing

 

[Uwe Raabe 2187]

16 minutes ago, Javier Tarí said:

Crazy, isn't it?

I would rather call it diversity.

[Dalija Prasnikar 1533]

1 hour ago, Javier Tarí said:

I believe there are very few of us using that kind of tools on the daily workflow, and imo that's a bad thing

I would say that is a good thing. This means in the future Delphi will still have a solid base of developers who know how to write their code.

[Rollo62 605]

2 hours ago, Stefan Glienke said:

.... if there is sufficient activity around this topic ....

I would say it is already much, because there were so many GitHub Delphi AI libraries popping up including the Delphi AI support too,
so I think it is a high topic density right now.
It would be worth to give them a common home, and keep all their questions focused into them.

On the contrary, if no AI forum, what will the best place to ask questions ( Off-Topic, Other stuff, ... )?
 

[Lars Fosdal 1904]

3 hours ago, Rollo62 said:

if no AI forum, what will the best place to ask questions

That has been suggested further up in this thread.

[Javier Tarí 27]

5 hours ago, Dalija Prasnikar said:

I would say that is a good thing. This means in the future Delphi will still have a solid base of developers who know how to write their code.

No, they would be unemployed. Except thos of us that will be retired, and not need to worry about it

[Anders Melander 2096]

47 minutes ago, Javier Tarí said:

No, they would be unemployed.

They will be unemployed because they know how to write code on their own?

 

Yes, that makes perfect sense; Nobody wants to hire that kind of developers.

[dummzeuch 1702]

7 hours ago, Anders Melander said:

They will be unemployed because they know how to write code on their own?

They will be unemployed because AI will write all the code (or to rephrase: "Computers will program themselves") within a few years, as predicted already 30 years ago and time and time again afterwards. This time for real, we promise!

[Javier Tarí 27]

1 hour ago, dummzeuch said:

They will be unemployed because AI will write all the code (or to rephrase: "Computers will program themselves") within a few years, as predicted already 30 years ago and time and time again afterwards. This time for real, we promise!

I'm not talking of predictions of a distant future: I'm talking of my daily experience with, my own work on my own code. According to what I'm doing as of today:

They will be unemployed because right now AI is able to program by itself a lot of Delphi code, and even refactor a lot of production code, just with human supervision on the final result, and a single senior developer can supervise a lot of agents coding in parallel.

 

And if your experience is other: if your experience does not include Claude Code, then your experience is zero; you have been visiting the wrong planet

 

[Lars Fosdal 1904]

[DelphiUdIT 261]

You're probably too excited about finding a valuable AI tool for code development, but I recommend learning what an LLM is, what it does, and how it works. I'd also like to point out that:

 

"Anthropic agreed to pay $1.5 billion: it downloaded 7 million pirated books to train Claude"

 

I'm not providing the source because I have links in Italian, but you can easily search the web for them in your own language.
Claude Code offers solutions based on what it's learned during his specific training, perhaps with a mix of algorithms, but it can't create anything new unless you provide even a partial solution yourself.

I've never had a working, complete solution from an AI. Of course, it can be useful for targeted analysis or code "creation" (especially for specific algorithms... that have already been developed by someone else)... but it's a long way from replacing a programmer.

 

[Javier Tarí 27]

5 minutes ago, DelphiUdIT said:

"Anthropic agreed to pay $1.5 billion: it downloaded 7 million pirated books to train Claude"

Yestenight I heard about that; the news said it was requested 1.5 but offered and agreed to pay 3

That corresponds to the books they used at the very start: they scratched torrent sites and downloaded and used what fitted them

After that, they have purchased one copy of every book/whatever they wanted to use to train, digitalized it, and destroyed the original, so they only had one single copy, equivalent to the purchase

 

Although I find it a curious even interesting talking about it, I fail to see how is it relevant to AI agentic coding

 

I'm sorry for you never having a working, complete solution from an AI. I feel your frustration. And it explains why Anthropic valuation has evolved from 4B$ in may 2023, to 183B$ september 2025

My experience with Claude Code is awesome, and evolving nicely for the latest... 4 months? Feels way longer than that, but it's only that

[Javier Tarí 27]

I'll present myself:

I'm 59 years old, developing with Pascal since my 18, and with Delphi since D3 appeared. I am the main developer of an ERP which started in 1987 on MSDOS, TurboPascal, all the way till today, D12.3 (soon D13)

I code all day long, only in Delphi. There is a few of Python and what not, but I don't code a single line of it myself (you got it: the agent does it)

 

I don't do Vibe coding as in "make a shiny thing for me". Never tried, to be honest

I do AI agentic coding, as in "We are going to work with this repository (which we already documented). This is the explanation of what we will implement; analyze it and make the initial implementation plan so we discuss it"