Delphi TOIOBE index lifted in May 2022?

[wuwuxin 28]

Now listed 11th in the lsit.

 

Is this a good news for Delphier?

 

 

https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/

 

 

[irawan 2]

this list is a nonsense stuff and has nothing todo with Delphi.

[MichaelT 6]

TIOBE Index makes no sense (anymore). No idea if it ever id.

 

After the (first) software crisis a NATO conference in the late 1960s addressed this issue and one of the results was to establish various programming languages, domain driven ones especially. That's what all those rankings reflect nowadays, not more not less.

 

What can we say?

 

What we see today returned and in more sophisticated fashion.

 

Compilers were in the beginning. Over the years one lesser restricted technology (in the end) and programming languages were (re)introduced in order to get an idea of what people can/will do once compiler restrictions are gone.

 

After a strong period of (W)intel dominance the question, btw. an old one even on the 'very first' IBM computers that made it into public, the question arose 'What will happen if new and/or more specialized processors will show up'.  That was already pretty clear in the 1980s and 1990s and no surprise at all if we think of home computing. One direction hinted at compilers and portability and a second at virtual runtime environments, interpreted first and JIT-compiled & friends later.

 

What we see is, that no solutions was found until today. What we see is that the insanity ascribed to programmers moved away from the individual to technology engineers and language designers.

 

TIOBE index to a certain degree could hint at what combination will be tried out next and by whom or who has a fair chance to succeed.

 

Programming languages and technologies are not solely aimed at software engineers. Since no best way to address the everlasting changes 'underneath the programming language' and/or execution environment was found, feel free to use whatever you like. 

 

Outside the traditional world of customer/supplier relations freedom can be found at every corner today and the question if 'your programming skill are up to date' cannot simply be answered by a ranking of programming languages.

[Rinzwind 26]

ASM on position 8. Sure.

"The number of hits determines the ratings of a language." How asm ends up on position 8? 
 

their list of included pages are too weird. Sharepoint.com ? Just redirects to ms.

 

i first had the impression Tiobe stood for the number of queries in a month about a certain language, but apparently that's not the case. Pointless.

[FreeDelphiPascal 19]

August 2023. Delphi was about to enter Tiobe Top 10. But exactly before that, Delphi was thrown down to position 30 (or something like this) for a few days.

Now I see it is back to the top 20. But instead of pos 11 it is 15 now.
People from Tiobe must really really hate Delphi.

Edited September 18, 2023 by FreeDelphiPascal

[Sherlock 663]

20 hours ago, FreeDelphiPascal said:

People from Tiobe must really really hate Delphi.

Considering hate stems mostly from envy, I can live with that.

On 5/15/2022 at 10:03 AM, Rinzwind said:

i first had the impression Tiobe stood for the number of queries in a month about a certain language, but apparently that's not the case. Pointless.

I guess it used to be, but for quite some time it's more convoluted. As the number of queries only reflects on poor documentation, steep learning curve and hype. So...no wonder that is not used anymore, but how else could one measure a languages popularity compared to others? Number of books published on the subject? Sales? I'm glad I don't have to come up with some language rating scheme...

[David Heffernan 2347]

7 hours ago, Sherlock said:

Considering hate stems mostly from envy, I can live with that.

I'm quite sure that the people at TIOBE are driven night and day by their intense feelings of envy towards Delphi. I really can't imagine they think about anything else. 

[FreeDelphiPascal 19]

Tiobe index sucks. It measures (quoting Linus Torhal) "The level of noise on the Internet".

But it is important for us (Delphi guys) because of the publicity. Everybody knows how poor Tiobe is, still everybody is quoting it.

🙂

 

[David Heffernan 2347]

21 hours ago, FreeDelphiPascal said:

But it is important for us (Delphi guys) because of the publicity. Everybody knows how poor Tiobe is, still everybody is quoting it.

Who cares about TIOBE? It's just irrelevant. 

[FreeDelphiPascal 19]

Are Tiobe's results relevant/accurate?

No

 

Is Tiobe Index page visited by LOTS of people?

Yes.

(Many acquaintances, when I tell them that I work in Delphi, they ask me where Delphi is situated in Tiobe).

 

So, as I said:  " because of the publicity."

[David Heffernan 2347]

3 hours ago, FreeDelphiPascal said:

they ask me where Delphi is situated in Tiobe

Do they treat you differently when you answer? 

[stacker_liew 5]

On 5/15/2022 at 4:03 PM, Rinzwind said:

ASM on position 8. Sure.

"The number of hits determines the ratings of a language." How asm ends up on position 8? 
 

their list of included pages are too weird. Sharepoint.com ? Just redirects to ms.

 

i first had the impression Tiobe stood for the number of queries in a month about a certain language, but apparently that's not the case. Pointless.

Although ASM is very important in programming language, but no productivity at all, especially in risc environment.

[FreeDelphiPascal 19]

Delphi is again on position 11 in tiobe.
I wonder which pretext will they use this time when they will kick it down to position 17 like the last year.

[Rollo62 538]

3 hours ago, FreeDelphiPascal said:

Delphi is again on position 11 in tiobe.
I wonder which pretext will they use this time when they will kick it down to position 17 like the last year.

Perhaps this did the trick:
https://en.delphipraxis.net/topic/11151-delphi-and-use-only-memory-safe-languages/?page=5&tab=comments#comment-90366

[FreeDelphiPascal 19]

Delphi just entered Top10 Tiobe this month!

 

Edited October 15 by FreeDelphiPascal

[Rollo62 538]

20 hours ago, FreeDelphiPascal said:

Delphi just entered Top10 Tiobe this month!

 

Now I stop having too many bad thoughts about the whole Tiobe-System, thank you, its all right again and I start liking it

[JonRobertson 72]

2 hours ago, Rollo62 said:

its all right again

I'm not sure it is if SQL is ranked #11...

[dummzeuch 1506]

The languages at the top of that list have changed quite a bit since the last time I looked. Probably means that was a long time ago. I'm sure python was not yet in the top ten back then.

[Die Holländer 45]

Fortran on place 9.. Why or for what is Fortran so populair nowadays?

[dummzeuch 1506]

10 minutes ago, Die Holländer said:

Fortran on place 9.. Why or for what is Fortran so populair nowadays?

1.8% rating is far from being popular. It's just marginally better than the 1.64% of SQL on place 11. Compare that to the ratings of the top 3!

That's one of the problems with this "index". The differences between the rankings even some in the top 10 are lower than the error margins of the data source.

Edited October 16 by dummzeuch

[FreeDelphiPascal 19]

On 10/15/2024 at 6:03 PM, Rollo62 said:

and I start liking it

As I said before, Tiobe is very unreliable. And as a "bonus" the people are Tiobe (which are C++ people) hate Delphi. Not "generally" speaking, but particularly speaking.

So, there is no reason to like or to trust Tiobe.
🙂

BUT it is important for us (Delphi devs) because now it will create some hype around Delphi. By entering top 10, people will start discussing around Delphi.

 

 

[David Heffernan 2347]

On 10/16/2024 at 7:14 AM, Die Holländer said:

Fortran on place 9.. Why or for what is Fortran so populair nowadays?

Same as always. Numerical programming. And when there exists huge amounts of code in a language, it can be hard to leave. A phenomenon well known to us Delphi programmers!

[FreeDelphiPascal 19]

On 10/16/2024 at 8:14 AM, Die Holländer said:

Fortran on place 9.. Why or for what is Fortran so populair nowadays?

Fortran and Cobol is heavily used by the banks in USA (and maybe Europe also?)

Every single cent you transfer in USA goes through a Fortran program.

 

I think it is the same in the administrative sector (USA).