Delphi 12.2 Patch 1

[Uwe Raabe 2051]

7 minutes ago, Vandrovnik said:

With my applications, there is no IDE freezing.

I'm working with 12.2 Patch 1 on my productive system now for five days and I also don't see any problems debugging. The only problem appeared directly after the update, caused by an internal package compiled without the patch and resolved by recompiling.

 

The build system was updated before to allow for testing the compatibility of packages compiled with Patch 1 on a system without.

[DelphiUdIT 160]

I don't have any IDE experts installed (except BCompare), no Parnassus, no getit package except D4P, JCL, JVCL and Indy compiled from github. I removed FIREUILivePreview and EMS components (not compatibles with Indy from github).

 

Except for what I have signaled on QP (AV when switch from Delphi to Mixed Delphi / C++ prj and a Issue with project panel view). I don't have other problems.

 

I used Rad Studio, and switch without close it from Win64 Delphi project and Android Delphi project with debugging either. Changed also the SDK settings (for various release of  Android). Always without close the IDE.

No issue at all. Like others I'm lucky.

Edited Friday at 02:04 PM by DelphiUdIT

[gioma 14]

1 hour ago, Brandon Staggs said:

How about removing all of your third-party components from the IDE, and adding each one back until you determine which one is the problem?

I work 9/10 hours a day with Delphi, among other things these things also happen to my colleague on another PC.
Delphi is full of bugs and the patches for each version are very few. Version 12.1 has received only one patch since its release and there will not be any more because now version 12.2 has been released.
Version 12.2 however is full of new bugs that do not allow me to work.
I have opened at least 4 cases with Embarcadero on their portal for new problems with the new release. One in particular does not allow me to work with version 12.2 of Delphi.
I must therefore continue to work with version 12.1 which allows me to work even if it slows down my work a lot.

I'm not a college student, I'm not playing, my time is money.

[Brandon Staggs 260]

1 hour ago, gioma said:

I work 9/10 hours a day with Delphi, among other things these things also happen to my colleague on another PC.
Delphi is full of bugs and the patches for each version are very few. Version 12.1 has received only one patch since its release and there will not be any more because now version 12.2 has been released.
Version 12.2 however is full of new bugs that do not allow me to work.
I have opened at least 4 cases with Embarcadero on their portal for new problems with the new release. One in particular does not allow me to work with version 12.2 of Delphi.
I must therefore continue to work with version 12.1 which allows me to work even if it slows down my work a lot.

I'm not a college student, I'm not playing, my time is money.

The problem described sounds like what happens when a third-party component is crashing the IDE. Nobody at Embarcadero can help with that issue, you will need to resolve it on your own. Assuming that is the problem of course, but you would need to take a few minutes to figure that out. 🤷‍♂️

[gioma 14]

2 minutes ago, Brandon Staggs said:

The problem described sounds like what happens when a third-party component is crashing the IDE. Nobody at Embarcadero can help with that issue, you will need to resolve it on your own. Assuming that is the problem of course, but you would need to take a few minutes to figure that out. 🤷‍♂️

The problem is that Delphi often crashes when searching for words, which I have to use because Code Insight often doesn't work.
It happens mostly on large projects, while it is much rarer on small projects (that use the same components).
I don't think it depends on Third Party Components.. 

This NEVER happens with Visual Studio.. NEVER!

[dummzeuch 1493]

4 hours ago, Vandrovnik said:

Does it happen even in clean Delphi installation? With my applications, there is no IDE freezing.

On that computer there has never been a Delphi 12 installation (only 2007, XE2 and 10.2). The only addon is GExperts. No additional components. 

 

I think that's a pretty clean installation.

[Lajos Juhász 291]

19 minutes ago, dummzeuch said:

I think that's a pretty clean installation.

Try without GExperts.

[dummzeuch 1493]

15 hours ago, Lajos Juhász said:

Try without GExperts.

A Delphi installation without GExperts is broken. 😉

You are probably right: I should not regard something as a Delphi bug unless I can confirm it is not cause by a 3rd party, and GExperts is a 3rd party, even though that's stretching the meaning as that 3rd party is myself.

[shineworld 73]

My 2 cents.

I have been working with Delphi since the first version, that is, forever.
It is my main development tool and one thing I have learned over the years.

Whatever version I patch or whatever it is, I first install it on a VM.
I never use third-party packages that don't start from source (no pre-compiled BPLs).
I install all packages from source (with obvious modifications if they give problems).

When everything works and I can work a few hours on the VM without any hiccups,
then I uninstall the package from the working PC, clean up all directories and files from the previous installation that were not removed during uninstall, and repeat the operations done on the VM.

It's a lot of work but I don't immediately switch to a new version when it appears.
I wait for the inevitable patched versions to come out so I don't waste hours and hours of work.

With these operations the bugs and snags are kept to a minimum and you can work.

 

Edited Saturday at 10:44 AM by shineworld

[Brandon Staggs 260]

On 10/25/2024 at 11:44 AM, gioma said:

The problem is that Delphi often crashes when searching for words, which I have to use because Code Insight often doesn't work.
It happens mostly on large projects, while it is much rarer on small projects (that use the same components).
I don't think it depends on Third Party Components.. 

This NEVER happens with Visual Studio.. NEVER!

You may not understand how Delphi works. In Delphi, all of your third-party components are DLLs running in the IDE's process. That's how RAD works, for better or worse, and it means that problems in third-party components will often cause havoc in your IDE. If you are unwilling to start from scratch with no third-party components and do some basic trial-and-error you will never know if the problem you are having is Delphi or not.

 

I can say I do simple and complex searching in the IDE every day many many times as I work and I do not have any problems with those features. The most likely difference between my setup and yours is going to be what components we have running in the IDE, so, it's a good place to start.

Edited Monday at 04:01 PM by Brandon Staggs

[chkaufmann 17]

On 10/17/2024 at 10:23 PM, Uwe Raabe said:

It is quite a number while most of us expected a fix for RSS-1944 only.

I can't find this one anymore in the portal. Does it mean, it was fixed?

[Uwe Raabe 2051]

May depend on the current filter and search criteria you use: https://embt.atlassian.net/servicedesk/customer/portal/1/RSS-1944

[DelphiUdIT 160]

4 hours ago, chkaufmann said:

I can't find this one anymore in the portal. Does it mean, it was fixed?

They are signed that like FIXED in Rad Studio 12.2 PATCH 1.

[gioma 14]

On 10/28/2024 at 5:00 PM, Brandon Staggs said:

You may not understand how Delphi works. In Delphi, all of your third-party components are DLLs running in the IDE's process. That's how RAD works, for better or worse, and it means that problems in third-party components will often cause havoc in your IDE. If you are unwilling to start from scratch with no third-party components and do some basic trial-and-error you will never know if the problem you are having is Delphi or not.

 

I can say I do simple and complex searching in the IDE every day many many times as I work and I do not have any problems with those features. The most likely difference between my setup and yours is going to be what components we have running in the IDE, so, it's a good place to start

I have been using Delphi for twenty years.
Rad Studio works well up to a certain point, then it starts to limp until it crashes due to ITS INTERNAL FUNCTIONS.
I don't think the word search can be crashed by a component that wraps a DLL in C+ on the webrtc!

 

Or do we want to talk about when it goes out of memory and you have to restart the IDE?

This doesn't happen to me with any other development IDE in the world, NONE!!!!

 

I repeat, I'm not playing, I'm not a college student, I work with Delphi 6 days a week, 8/9 hours a day!

[Sherlock 660]

2 hours ago, gioma said:

I repeat, I'm not playing, I'm not a college student, I work with Delphi 6 days a week, 8/9 hours a day!

Thank you for clarifying. I am pretty sure that goes for 90% of our members here as well.

[Anders Melander 1761]

53 minutes ago, Sherlock said:

I am pretty sure that goes for 90% of our members here as well.

You might be right but that's not the impression I get from the topics posted.

[JonRobertson 67]

4 hours ago, gioma said:

I don't think the word search can be crashed by a component that wraps a DLL in C+ on the webrtc!

Any code executing in the IDE can stomp on other memory allocated by the IDE. Any code executing in the IDE can corrupt the stack of any thread running in the IDE. If the component wrapping the DLL needs to load the DLL at design-time, there are plenty of ways that a C++ DLL executing in the IDE's process could cause IDE instability.

[Die Holländer 34]

1 hour ago, Sherlock said:

Thank you for clarifying. I am pretty sure that goes for 90% of our members here as well.

Yes, I think so too and I'm always amazed by people finding "tons of bugs" in Delphi while I have never

real problems with Delphi. It's not because of simple projects. We developed our software for

20 years and use almost everything a modern application can do.

Database, Printing, SFTP, COM, OLE word/excel, Webserver, XML, JSON, FMX,

Owner drawing, Math calculations, Interfacing with other companies, etc...

 

I only know that some had problems with the Delphi RIO version eating memory.: memory leaks with RIO 

 

[ertank 27]

Speaking about Delphi 12.2 Inline Update 1.

I am told that Windows 10 and Windows 11 changes the experience.

Delphi is giving problems on Windows 11 and identical (down to installed components) system on Windows 10 works just fine.

[Lajos Juhász 291]

8 minutes ago, ertank said:

Delphi is giving problems on Windows 11 and identical (down to installed components) system on Windows 10 works just fine.

 

In that case I am the unlucky one. Have had no issues using Delphi 12.2 update 1 on Windows 11.